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Fri, Jul 01


I WROTED THESE COMIC BOOK IDEAS

@ 3:10 PM

A few years ago I pitched some ideas to DC Comics. They didn't bite.

The first here, I agree, is too esoteric and pretentious to really work as a comic, but I like the idea of the story. Maybe I'll do it somewhere else, in another form.

But I still really like the second idea. It's fun and I'd have fun doing it. So I at least want to float it around on the internet, just to claim it.

They're both Batman stories. Here's the first one:

 

"J"

The Joker once again breaks out of Arkham Asylum, and Batman - along with the Justice League - tears apart Gotham to find him.

And who feels the heat the worst when the League is cracking down hard? Gotham's criminals.

And because Batman works his way up from minor street thug, higher and higher on the chain, it's the "C" list criminals who suffer first.

Barely escaping a beatdown and capture, The Cluemaster (who I'm going to make a much younger, inexperienced criminal) gathers a literal "C"-list of other, frightened criminals - Crazyquilt, Crime Doctor, Calendar Man and Copperhead - to hunt the "J".

What follows is a desperate night search through Gotham's underworld, during which our protagonist - The Cluemaster - sees firsthand the effects of crime (Calendar Man's failed, broken life; The Crime Doctor's past victims and wasted potential; Crazyquilt's petty "goals" and Copperhead's pointless savagery). It all comes to a head when they confront The Joker - who personifies every awful quality of his teammates. He stops them from killing "J" - they each have their reasons for wanting The Joker dead - and then leaves the "team". The last page shows him leaving one last clue for The Batman - the location of the loot he stole earlier that night.

***

Like I said, maybe a little too esoteric. But I wanted to put Batman and the other big, colorful superheroes into the world of one of those low-stakes, early 70's noirs, like The Nickel Ride or Hustle.

Here's the second, much bigger, much grander idea:

 

 

"Arkham's Arsenal"


WORLD WAR II.
The entire planet's fate hangs on the outcomes of massive and not-so-massive skirmishes. Guadacanal. Messina. Iwo Jima...

…and skirmishes left moldering in classified files, even today.

One such story is uncovered by an Army researcher, hunting the whereabouts of several MIA "dis-honorables", who seemingly fell off the face of the Earth in the mid-40's.

The 12 - known to Eyes Only researchers as "Arkham's Arsenal" - allegedly completed a joint US/British mission deep into Germany, where they killed a number of high-ranking officials at a top-secret meeting, prior to D-Day.

These 12 were:

"John Doe", a special forces operative gassed by the Germans with an experimental compound which killed his entire platoon. He managed to get a gas mask on, but ended up with bleached skin a permanent rictus. Since his unit was required to undergo missions without dog tags or service flashes, no one now knows his identity. It's said that "John Doe" took on the other 15 personalities of his dead platoon, all of them trained killers, all of them slightly psychotic.

Sgt. Dent, half of his face blown off by a grenade.

Pvt. Nigma, an encryption expert, caught selling codes to the Nazis

Cpl. "Killer" Crockowski

Cpl. Floyd "Deadshot" Lawton

Pvt. Jonathan Crane

Pvt. Maxie "Maggot" Zeus

Pvt. Victor Zsasz

Pvt. Aaron Helzinger (Amygdala)

Pvt. Joseph Rigger (Firebug)

and…

Pvt. Dick Grayson

 

Act One

Col. Bruce Wayne breaks the 12, and turns them into a fighting force.

Act Two

The War Game, against Wayne's rival in the Allied alliance - Col. Henri Ducard. Arkham's Arsenal comes out on top, defeating Ducard's forces (which will contain some cool cameos of other DC heroes and villains)

Act Three

The Mission - killing the gathered VIPs at the Chateau al Ghul. Some of the visitors - all of them contributing to the Nazi death regime - will include Dr. Hugo Strange, Deacon Blackfire, Dr. Victor Fries, Professor Milo, etc.

In the end, only Col. Wayne and Pvt. Grayson survive.

Well…"Jon Doe" goes missing - but he'll turn up somewhere else. You'll see…

***

Goddamit, I really wish they'd let me do Arkham's Arsenal. Oh well. I was going to model Bruce Wayne after Lee Marvin, and Dick Grayson after a young Charles Bronson. And The Joker would've been Cassavettes (re-watch the movie, especially the scene where Donald Sutherland is impersonating a general - some of Cassavette's facial expressions are eerily Joker-like).

I would've done that 14-point "attack poem" that Lee Marvin does to map out the mission. Would've made the "war game" scene in Act II a battle royale between a lot of serious DV villains. And I would've stocked the chateau with lots of cameos by not only other DC character, but Vertigo characters as well.

And John Doe? He would've been on a private train car, commandeered from the Calais Coach, entertaining perverted Nazi high commanders as the war wound down, like a demented Master of Ceremonies from Cabaret. Or not. Now that I think of it, there's better ways to use him in a coda. That's the one thing that doesn't work about the original Dirty Dozen - that last scene in the hospital room. They deserved a coda. Something violent and ironic.

Oh well. Maybe DC will let me do The Justice Club, my take on Teen Titans as a John Hughes movie.



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Posted by: Gail Simone @ 4:44 PM on 7.01.2011
I am sad neither of these happened. They both would have been splendid. Nertz.

Posted by: Patton Oswalt @ 5:23 PM on 7.01.2011
Coming from you, Gail, that means a lot. And thanks for doing what you could to shepherd ARKHAM'S ARSENAL through...
 

 
 
Posted by: ThisIsChad @ 5:03 PM on 7.01.2011
I honestly like the the first idea way more than the second. It almost sounds like something Morrison would do (if it had a dozen more plot twists and 49 more silver age references).

PS - Why don't you put you're blog on RSS?

Posted by: Patton Oswalt @ 5:22 PM on 7.01.2011
We're adding the RSS feed next week. Thanks for the heads up!
 

 
 
Posted by: Carlos Mal @ 5:21 PM on 7.01.2011
Holy shit. Arkham's Arsenal is awesome. I want to see it made NOW. That idea is badass...

 
 
Posted by: Jen @ 5:29 PM on 7.01.2011
These are awesome, and I would read the hell out of The Justice Club!

Posted by: Patton Oswalt @ 5:31 PM on 7.01.2011
Just for the scene of Wonder Woman scratching the dandruff out of her hair...
 

 
 
Posted by: chris @ 5:34 PM on 7.01.2011
Your first idea seems very close to the plot of the movie "M"

If you haven't seen it - worth a watch. IMDB has it in its top 250

Posted by: Patton Oswalt @ 7:00 PM on 7.01.2011
It's completely a take on M, only smaller scale -- instead of the entire underworld, it's a concentrated handful.
 

Posted by: um @ 9:40 PM on 7.01.2011
why do you think he called it j
 

 
 
Posted by: Donnacha @ 5:35 PM on 7.01.2011
The second one sounds fun. If they let Gaiman do all the Marvel characters in the 17th century, they should let you do a WW2 story. Stuff like that is always cool in small doses; another story I heard bandied about setting Wolverine as a Gladiator, fighting other mutants in the Roman arena, had a similar ring of cool to it.

The first idea is certainly very thoughtful. Forgive me for making another Gaiman comparison - I don't have a deep knowledge of comics - but it reminds me of when he'd make up single stories with smaller-tier characters in his Sandman series. Sounds like it'd be a great read.

I'd love to read more of your original writing, Patton.

 
 
Posted by: GrantMorrisey @ 5:39 PM on 7.01.2011
They are both good ideas, but "J" is definitely something that I think would be special. It reminds me a bit of Gotham Central but potentially much more interesting.

I like the idea that these C-List villains are most likely products of a rotten society, who commit petty crimes to survive week-to-week and are then punished more harshly than a mass murderer who doesn't have to deal with daily life in Gotham. Most of them probably have day jobs, some even family, but the way this town has eroded over decades makes them become outlaws only to be lumped in with the likes of the sociopaths and career criminals.

You should definitely pursue these ideas.

Posted by: Patton Oswalt @ 6:59 PM on 7.01.2011
Yeah, I've been re-reading the GOTHAM CENTRAL hardcovers. If I ever get to do "J", I'd set it in that world.
 

 
 
Posted by: dcsmith1 @ 5:39 PM on 7.01.2011
I'm wondering who from the DC universe would be your Breakfast Club? Who would be Principal Veron? And who would be the janitor?

Posted by: Patton Oswalt @ 6:58 PM on 7.01.2011
Oh shit, those are good questions. Maybe some supervillains? Luthor and Clayface?
 

 
 
Posted by: Jeff @ 5:45 PM on 7.01.2011
Both fantastic ideas. I've never seen The Dirty Dozen, but now I feel like I should. And Joker doing a creepy Joel Grey routine is wonderfully perverse and inspired.

 
 
Posted by: Kathleen @ 6:07 PM on 7.01.2011
dude, that's fucking awesome. i'd totally read that shit. both of them.

 
 
Posted by: J Phillips @ 6:58 PM on 7.01.2011
(Obligatory internet rant follows)

D00dz, I totally wrote both those stories!!!!! You stole them from my self-published fanzine "Self important" I published in Seattle in 1994!!!!! I want my royalties

 
 
Posted by: Tony Caroselli @ 7:02 PM on 7.01.2011
Hey, Patton. I was just speaking with Dan DiDio at DC via e-mail today about a Batman story I pitched. I have contacts there. These sound awesome. Wanna team up like World's Finest if Superman were a half-crippled alkie bum and Batman were a chubby short gnome awesome stand-up comedian?

Posted by: Tony Caroselli @ 7:08 PM on 7.01.2011
I'm not joking, by the way, and I'm also local. I ran into you at my neighborhood Starbucks once, which is probably 10 minutes' drive from anywhere in Burbank. And I have legit credentials I can give you if we grab coffee together.
 

Posted by: Patton Oswalt @ 7:38 PM on 7.01.2011
You're an artist?
 

Posted by: Tony Caroselli @ 9:35 PM on 7.01.2011
No, although I do have an artist attached to my project of whom DiDio is a big fan. He's the one who submitted it. More importantly, however, I've got contacts on the inside. Not the ones who have big names or anything, but the ones who actually get shit where it needs to go to be seen and who have the ear of people like DiDio. For obvious reasons, I'd rather not give too many specifics on a public forum, though. But if you e-mail me, I'll tell you who's helping me and what my pitch is. If you don't think I can help you, then never mind, but I think we can actually get both our stuff published if we work together. (Also, the iron is much, much hotter than you've heard.)
 

 
 
Posted by: sam murray @ 7:05 PM on 7.01.2011
I respect your mind, but you need a hobby. :)

Posted by: Patton Oswalt @ 7:39 PM on 7.01.2011
I agree! Next thing you know, I'll have so much idle time I'll be commenting on blogs!
 

Posted by: Eh @ 8:07 PM on 5.08.2012
Before crackle and pop, Patton :)
 

 
 
Posted by: Mike G @ 7:11 PM on 7.01.2011
Patton--thank you for just telling us about these. I'd read 'em enthusiastically.

 
 
Posted by: Kristen Brown @ 7:12 PM on 7.01.2011
Honestly, I'm such a Batman fan that I enjoyed reading your synopses of your ideas. I don't think the first one is too esoteric at all, given some of the more "soul searching" comics that have come out lately. And the second one? How has that not been picked up? Seriously, I will team up with you and make Arkham's Arsenal a reality :)

 
 
Posted by: Steve @ 7:15 PM on 7.01.2011
I REALLY like that first treatment. If comics did stories like that 5 years ago, I'd probably still be reading.

 
 
Posted by: Tyler Zutell @ 7:15 PM on 7.01.2011
...The allied alliance.

 
 
Posted by: slobass @ 7:16 PM on 7.01.2011
Good stuff! I'm more of a "Where Eagles Dare" man, but I really dig your ideas. I assume Jim Gordon would be Borgnine's character?

Posted by: Patton Oswalt @ 7:37 PM on 7.01.2011
I was thinking more Jim Gordon as the George Kennedy character.
 

 
 
Posted by: HarleyQuinnRapeEverywhere @ 7:17 PM on 7.01.2011
I like "J" best. But as an animated feature with everyone but Batman voiced by Steve Blum. Batman would of course be voiced by Kevin Conroy.

 
 
Posted by: chrismorale @ 7:22 PM on 7.01.2011
just keep sending the studios the scripts until you make the news. whats the worse that can happen or than more publicity?

 
 
 
 
 
   
   
   
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