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Fri, Jan 06


IT WAS THAT GODDAMNED EYE-ROLL

@ 12:00 AM

[This SPEW used to start with a paragraph containing a link you could click.  The link would take you to the Tumblr post by a young comedian who had a problem with the way I handled a heckler/videotaper at an open mike I was performing at. 

The opening paragraph also created the fiction that I was engaging in a polite, reasoned dialogue about the responsibility of the performer towards the audience and emotions and feelings and blah blah fucking blah.

The person has since taken the Tumblr post down, blithely stating, “…I just felt it had run its course and didn’t really need to be out there anymore.”

Well thanks, asshole!  I guess I “just feel” that the friendly, introductory paragraph for this entry had “run its course” and doesn’t “really need to be out there anymore”. 

But my response to your Tumblr, I think, really really really needs to still be out there, which is the reason I wrote it in the first place.  I never had any intention of winning back your approval, since you quickly showed yourself to be the same sort of opportunistic, fame-hungry climber I’ve gone out of my way to avoid throughout my career.  (That thing you wrote over on aspecialthing.com, about how you were “…crafting your response” to this SPEW?  Yuck.  The mind reels…)

So allow me to admit to some opportunism of my own.  I saw your entitled, sub-literate Tumblr post as yet another opportunity to hammer into the public’s head this simple, why-do-we-even-need-to-state-it-idea:  Don’t film performers during their sets.  Period.  Especially at open mikes which are a place where we try to work out new material, in its roughest form, and don’t want it preserved in that form unless we choose to.  There is absolutely no response too harsh, no public shaming too severe, and nowhere too low to sink when slamming some idiot who digs into their pocket for a camera phone and begins, with all of the focus and passion of a monkey picking its ass, to film material you’re struggling with at their convenience.

I’ll finish here so you can begin “…crafting your response.”] 

I just re-read your Tumblr post.  It was sensible and well-reasoned.  I see every single point you're making. Based on what you saw, you nailed me and the night I ruined.  

 Based on what you saw.

I let what seemed to be a minor insult to my precious "comedy" escalate into a hateful, personal attack and, much worse, fester into a public motherfucking of someone who'd left the room and was no longer there to defend herself.   It doesn't track, does it -- how did my initial, sincere, "Could you please not tape this?" warp-spasm into the vitriolic, "Time has not been kind, madam" shit-flinging?

Maybe this will fill in the gaps.  Or not.   

I have the liberty of telling my side of this, but you retain the freedom of deciding for yourself what to make of me.

What you didn't see was the girl's attitude the second I called her out on her taping.  

For starters, whatever camera phone she was using had a piercing, distracting light on it which she merrily aimed right into my eye.  

Worse, here's when she started taping:  halfway through a new, longer joke that I'm working on -- a very embarrassing recollection from my younger years that I'm very nervous about performing and still very unsure of how to unspool.  This was only the fourth time I've ever performed it, as well as the fourth time I've ever admitted this incident in public.  So it still feels like a very nervy high wire walk for me.  There's times when I lose the audience and have to get them back, freeze up, and wonder if I shouldn't have just kept this whole incident to myself.  I'm walking into new territory with this one, and it's scary and I feel very raw and dry-mouthed when I do it.

I can't stress this enough:  she clumsily brought the camera out and started taping after I'd done half of the story.

So now I was facing someone walking around -- a clumsily, socially blunt someone who clearly has no boundaries or sense of esthetics or shame -- with half of a half-formed, very personal and embarrassing story I'm trying to hone into something good, just sitting on a device in her pocket.  A device which, anytime she's had one drink too many or is in whatever weird mood she may or may not get into, can whip out and play this to -- well, whoever.  

So in that single act I've lost control of which version of my story has been turned from signal to noise, as well as who decides when, where, and to whom it's shown.

It's the equivalent, to me, of sitting at a table in a coffee shop or library, writing the first draft of a short story, or screenplay or, were I a musician, song lyrics, and having someone walk by, snap the sheet away from my fingers, snap a pic with their camera, and then say, "Hey, I'm a fan of your stuff.  I want the new thing you're working on permanently on my phone now.  I'm deciding when it's 'done.'"

To make it even more infuriating, she then said -- after I politely objected -- "You're going to want this later," as if she were the rational, intelligent one in this exchange, and I was some neophyte who was doing his first open mike.  Yes, that's egotistical of me to say, but fuck it.  I've been doing this for twenty three years.  Ego was what got me started.

This is not the first time this has happened to me.  Here are some other delightful encounters with "fans" (and anyone who thinks this is a new phenomenon brought on my the advent of camera phones needs to read Harlan Ellison's essay "Xenogenesis", available in The Essential Ellison which is, as the title says, essential reading):

My Weakness Is Strong special.  

Two weeks before the special was set to air, someone contacts me and says the first ten minutes are already up on YouTube.  Sure enough, I do a search, and there's the blurry, first 10 minutes of my special, shot with a camera phone from what looked like the 30th row.

I contacted the filmer, politely asked him to remove it and -- wow!  He did it!  He apologized and said he was a "huge fan" and didn't realize he'd made a mistake.  Aaaaaannd...you know, he's got these other thirty or forty other short films on his YouTube channel, so could I maybe watch all of them, write up a critical assessment for each one, and maybe introduce him to my manager or agent?  When I wrote back and apologized, saying it would be unfair of me to say, "Yes" when I didn't have to time to do any of that, he wrote back (and I quote): "That's cool.  Kinda bummed though -- I DID take that video down for you."

The Crystal Ballroom, Portland

There are very few cities more fun to perform in than Portland, Oregon.  Let me say that right off the bat.

I was near the end of my set when I decided to do a chunk of new stuff I was working on.  It was such an amazing crowd, and I was in such a good mood and, to be truthful, was feeling greedy, and didn't want to let them go, they were that good.  And I knew this would be a good chance to try out, for maybe the third time, a chunk of new stuff I was only mildly confident with.

And I let the crowd know that this is some new stuff I'm going to try out, and that I've got a closing bit ready that I know works in case the new stuff tanks.  The crowd laughs gets excited and makes me feel great and I go into it.

And just as I start, a faux-hawked "culture jammer" with a cameraphone and, I'm sure, an American Express Platinum Card in his Rag and Bone jacket, rushes to the lip of the stage and starts filming me.

"Oh, can you not do that?  This is new stuff and I don't want it getting on the inter -- "

He says, "I don't have an internet connection."

"Well, uh..." I'm thrown by this.  "Uh, this is new stuff I'm working on, and uh, I mean, if you want it for your personal use, as long as you don't upload it..."

He sneers, "Why the fuck would I want to watch this shit?"

Now I'm thrown even more.  I'm too confused/enraged to even engage the illogic of his statement, and then it hits me -- he doesn't want to tape my new material.  He wants to tape me getting pissed off, and upload that.

Before I can say anything else, two security guys come up and, like Visigoths with ballet training, deftly whip his camera phone from his hand, pop out the memory card, daintily hand it back, and escort him down the center aisle.  As the "culture jammer" is being led away, he turns and gives me a withering, Jamba Juice-healthy smile.

Now flash forward back to last night, upstairs at The Palace (which I'll return to, every single Thursday that I can, to work on new stuff, for free).  You saw me ask the woman, again, to not tape me.  And you heard her say, "I'm deleting it now."

But what you didn't see was her say, "I'm deleting it now" with the same, withering smirk I saw in the Crystal Ballroom.  In other words, "I'm not deleting this, and fuck you."

And you didn't see her roll her eyes at her two friends, who rolled their eyes back, and nodded in agreement when she mouthed, "What an asshole."

Now, from that point and beyond, I should've kept my cool.   And I didn't.   All of my past resentments toward the entitled and beautiful and dismissive and cruel and, especially, the ones who confuse a "dark sense of humor" with "being mean" -- all of these resentments rocketed out of my pores likes bats fleeing a collapsing cave.  That part, the eruption that continued even after they left?  That's on me.  I should've been cooler.

But it was that goddamned eye roll.  And that smirk, as if through the arrow-slit of a castle the smirker had no right to live in.

 



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Posted by: randy @ 6:23 AM on 1.07.2012
FIRST

Posted by: Adolf HItler @ 12:02 PM on 1.07.2012
NO.
 

Posted by: mike @ 1:16 PM on 1.07.2012
congratulations, dumbass
 

Posted by: Eric Snyder @ 6:18 PM on 1.07.2012
That guy was right though he was first.
 

Posted by: Krystal Waters @ 1:37 AM on 2.13.2012
My comment: shit happens; you're human. I'M STILL A FAN!! ;)
MY QUESTION: SEEN YOU ON TALKING DEAD - YOU MENTIONED HOW YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN ALL OF EPISODE 2 - HOW DID YOU DO THAT????
(I know you're not big on responding to folks, BUT, PLEASE?!?!?!?)
Thanks, Krystal
 

Posted by: BLUE @ 12:12 PM on 4.03.2012
You're a successful adult that everyone assumes they can take pot-shots at because, of course, you're just an overgrown version of every nerd they grew up with. They think that just because you're intelligent and relatively adjusted that you wouldn't dream of calling them out when they try to put you down.It's a no-win situation for you and an all-win for them. You eat their shit with a smile on their face: you lose. They get ANY kind of rise out of you: you lose. Your only option is to blow up so big that they get all kinds of attention, but it's the kind of attention that their reptile brains didn't even factor in to the “fuck with the successful nerd” equation. You spit that venom.
 

Posted by: andy Jentzen @ 12:53 PM on 4.07.2012
How do you work any new material today at open mikes. Every time you go up somebody is filming. I really like your work .Its like you have to work it out in a checkout lines at Kmart.

 

 
 
Posted by: Kate @ 7:38 AM on 1.07.2012
My husband linked me to the original tumblr post that set all this off last night. We're both fans of yours; additionally I'm a freelance writer and he's a musician, so we both immediately felt empathy for you and the situation you were placed in. It's incredibly difficult to share your art and then be face to face with someone who has their own agenda and doesn't even pretend to appreciate you laying yourself bare. I will say that as a woman I was disappointed you elevated your fight back to include attacks on this woman's looks and continued them after she left. Based on this classy and generous post I think I can get over it

 
 
Posted by: Alex @ 9:22 AM on 1.07.2012
People just don't know. They're at a restaurant, having a nice time. They'd photograph you, just like they photograph their plates of food, or friends making faces, or anything else that entertained them that day, so they can revisit that feeling and share it with friends. It's just how that silly little tool is used. And that one person taping it has nothing to do with every other annoying person who's ever taped something because they enjoyed it. They don't know about your struggle. But if this is such a maddening ongoing problem, maybe you could just tell people at the beginning of a set? Your fans do not want to piss you off anymore than you want to get pissed at your fans.

Posted by: Gavin @ 2:04 PM on 1.07.2012
I'm pretty sure most reputable venues actually do advise that photography (which would include videography) is prohibited. I don't know if that's the case here, but I'm willing to bet a nickel that it was.
 

Posted by: Alexandra @ 3:04 PM on 1.07.2012
I think this is the most logical and rational of all the responses. We live in a self absorbed world. This is why situations like this will continue to happen. In order to minimize these occurrences, any performing artist would most likely benefit from communicating their wishes ahead of time. This way, if an individual is disrespectful of your wishes, your contempt would be more justifiable.
 

Posted by: PJG Atlanta @ 4:04 PM on 1.07.2012
While this is indeed a calm, rational response, it also misses the mark by miles and miles AND MILES.

Do I need to be told not to fart in public? No, I would hazard a guess Alex knows that too, and that the unauthorized taping of shows is not acceptable either. Don't you, Alex? Or do you think anywhere, everything, anytime, anyplace is cool to record?

I mean, if I enter a restaurant, do I need to be reminded about civil behavior? Don't fart, don't pick my nose and wipe it on the table cloth, or other behavior that "just isn't done?"

Come on, get a grip. Everyone who's reached a state of relative maturity knows there are civil behavior rules that don't need to be said
 

Posted by: dav @ 4:07 PM on 1.07.2012
Sure, what better way to set a fun tone and get the audience with you than immediately telling them not to do something? I don't know why more performers don't just begin their sets with lists of audience dos and don'ts. That would be entertaining.
 

Posted by: Alexandra @ 5:01 PM on 1.07.2012
@PJG Atlanta: I don't think it's a good comparison of appropriate public behavior, to clump farting and picking your nose in public, with recording an encounter with a celebrity. If her intent was to to profit off of his performance; premeditated or conclusively; then yes, ethically that's a douche bag move. But chances are (especially because it was an in prompt to performance)the person wanted to capture that moment in time to reflect upon. And given our societal standards of heralding Celebrities, it wouldn't be a social abnormality. Given the prevalence of such actions, chances are she wasn't the only one. Just the unfortunate one with an annoyingly bright light that irritated him.
 

Posted by: Law Latyew @ 3:44 PM on 1.14.2012
^ this guy. u prob burned ur kid-hand on stoves a lot.
 

Posted by: Rube Hayseed @ 12:41 PM on 3.24.2012
Alexandra, you seem to be very well-spoken which is why I have to ask who taught you to spell 'impromptu'?
 

 
 
Posted by: Megan @ 9:44 AM on 1.07.2012
Shame that someone so successful and wealthy has that much anger lurking. I know, I know, you're a comedian and being mean to others is often the same as being "true" to yourself, and that's why you got into the biz in the first place. And I know that without the brutal, crippling, all-encompassing negativity of existence, comedians wouldn't have the same pathological need to make others laugh, but still... get a grip.

Posted by: Harry @ 10:28 AM on 1.07.2012
I'm sure when some entitled little princess steals from you, you'll simply "get a grip", too.
 

Posted by: Nicole @ 1:10 PM on 1.07.2012
Harry-why make this a gender thing? He wrote that two dudes did the same thing, would you call them "entitled princesses"?
 

Posted by: Swasted @ 1:12 PM on 1.07.2012
a comedian said something insulting on stage?!?! shocking!!!

keep on keepin on, patton!
 

Posted by: Aaron @ 1:13 PM on 1.07.2012
You're surprised at a comic having anger? Have you listened to even one episode of WTF with Marc Maron? Nearly ALL comedy originates from dark places in the soul. YOU get a grip, Megan. Hey Patton, 100% behind you, man. Keep up the good work.
 

Posted by: mike @ 1:14 PM on 1.07.2012
success and wealth have NOTHING to do with this, moron. a struggling comedian would do the same thing. you're the one that needs to get a grip
 

Posted by: RitaFukinbuch @ 3:01 PM on 1.07.2012
What are you doing??? Can't you see the post section is for kissing Remy's rings and not to have dissenting opinions??

Foolish!!
 

Posted by: Gonzo @ 3:44 PM on 1.07.2012
Sounds like someone is having a heavy flow day.

It's a comedy show. He's a comic. And human. A life on stage is hard. Unless Patton hopped off stage and started slapping this girl he can do and say whatever the fuck else he wants. Especial if it's essentially entertaining ... Which it was.

And lastly - get fucked.
 

 
 
Posted by: lisa @ 9:58 AM on 1.07.2012
that blows. even just reading the tumblr post i could tell that there was way more to the story. you had no way of knowing, even if she'd SEEMED sincere, whether she'd actually delete it. you're protecting your shit. right behind you, buddy. keep doing what you do. we love you.

 
 
Posted by: Eric Schobel @ 10:10 AM on 1.07.2012
I was so pissed when I read the original blog by Barbara Gray. Not only did the woman taping the show piss me off (how clueless. If you wanted it recorded you could have made your own arrangement), but that a fellow comic could be so obtuse about why it was wrong and why you were angry amazes me. Maybe you went overboard in ridiculing her, but she was stealing from you and had absolutely no remorse. If she'd been filming in a movie theater she would have been kicked out and possibly prosecuted for pirating. Why was it okay to do it at a live show? She deserves whatever she fats and I hope she doesn't ever go to live comedy again. Not every comic has your standing to defend themselves.

Posted by: facepalm @ 5:34 PM on 1.07.2012
Ignoramus.
 

 
 
Posted by: sdf @ 10:16 AM on 1.07.2012
What can be said that will even stick to a filthy rich a-hole? you suck p.o., gfy.

Posted by: mike @ 1:20 PM on 1.07.2012
did you even read this, you ignorant turd? this whole thing has nothing to do with patton being rich. he'd have done the same thing if he was a struggling comedian. you really don't get it. PS - enjoy your double chins.
 

Posted by: Dylan Welch @ 1:22 PM on 1.07.2012
Someone's got the wifi up and running under their bridge today.
 

 
 
Posted by: Pam @ 10:22 AM on 1.07.2012
Why should you not be able to protect your art which you spent hours creating without worrying that some tech obsessed jerk is going to blow it up all over the Internet? Pointing out a double chin is nothing. You could have flipped a Bill Hicks.

 
 
Posted by: Megan @ 10:34 AM on 1.07.2012
To be honest, Harry, I've encountered far greater injustice in my life. I'm sure her smirk was ruthless, but still...

Posted by: Joe @ 1:29 PM on 1.07.2012
Megan, what's your point?
 

 
 
Posted by: K @ 10:41 AM on 1.07.2012
Well-said. Mature. You take responsibility for losing your cool. And you present your side clearly. I read the other person's blog and she just sounds self-congratulatory for her disapproval. If she were the aspiring comic she claims to be, she would understand the predicament you (as well as many, many other comics) find yourself in frequently. There's still a whole lotta love for you and what you do.

On another note, I'm super excited to see your new stuff (as it was meant to be seen).

Here's to the New Year.
--K

 
 
Posted by: Mike c @ 1:11 PM on 1.07.2012
It is what it is. You should not have to defend yourself Patton! However, I thought you did so very well - with truth and humility. I'm more of a fan now than I was prior to reading these posts. Much respect.

 
 
Posted by: Ami @ 1:12 PM on 1.07.2012
Hi Patton,
It is a rare, once in a generation opportunity for comedy fans like us get to experience such an intelligent, hilarious genius such as yourself. You make yourself so accessible to your fans and are so plainly down to earth. By us into your life you expose yourself to dimwits who will take advantage of you. It goes with the territory. I just hope that you continue to speak to and appreciate your fans who support you and understand your struggle and your comedy narrative. You are forever our friend.

 
 
Posted by: Allison @ 1:14 PM on 1.07.2012
Thank you for posting this, Patton. I read that woman's article and was definitely disappointed to hear the amount of vitriol pointed towards her, but it did seem out of character for you (despite your act, you have always seemed to be a reasonable and good guy, as well as courteous and respectful of your audiences when I have seen you in person).

I think both you and B. Gray were very mature and respectful in your shared opinions and for that I thank you. It's a classiness that is rare in this industry.

Posted by: Allison @ 1:15 PM on 1.07.2012
What I meant to say was, it seemed out of character for you, so i'm pleased to hear there was more to the story.
 

 
 
Posted by: Bacon @ 1:14 PM on 1.07.2012
While recorded media is protected by law, live shows typically are not, law carries over to behavior. I worked abuse at a web host, and sites that host live show recordings were always ok while hosting studio recordings were not. However, it is common courtesy to not record if the artist asks. A lot of people do not have common courtesy. I feel for comedians who have to deal with everyone having this tech in their pocket.

 
 
Posted by: GillianG @ 1:15 PM on 1.07.2012
GO PATTON! This is the best! People love to ignore that fact that being well-known doesn't make a person less human. If we insist on making famous people into demigods, we will always be in a state of teen angst and rebellion when they let us down. New tactic: Imagine every human adult is a human adult regardless of their level of public recognition. And then go get a life. WELL DONE!

 
 
Posted by: Matt @ 1:17 PM on 1.07.2012
At least you didn't go all Michael Richards on her.

You're in the right, even if you spiked the ball.

 
 
Posted by: Argh! @ 1:21 PM on 1.07.2012
Patton you asshole, when I click a website I expect it to load immediately. And to think I used to look up to you.

Posted by: solak @ 1:43 PM on 1.07.2012
Try SquareSpace ?
 

 
 
Posted by: Kristin @ 1:22 PM on 1.07.2012
Ignorance of the law is not a defense. The fact is, by taping his original material without his consent, she was committing a copyright violation. He shouldn't have to announce it, it is common knowledge that it is a copyright violation. But people have this attitude that copying music, or movies, or bootlegging a performance is fine. The law is very clear -- it isn't. And starting with the media coverage of Napster through piracy of movies and software to discussions of SOPA, you'd have to be living under a rock for years not to know that taping that performance without permission was wrong.

Posted by: Bob @ 1:39 PM on 1.07.2012
There are plenty of cases in which her recording might qualify as fair use. The law is clear.
 

Posted by: solak @ 1:54 PM on 1.07.2012
"Fair use"?

I'm sure she's going to take that video and show it to her comedy class with some instructive analysis or put excerpts on the news report with some witty commentary.

She is a performer who ought to know better than to record that. If he wanted or needed a recording so he could analyze the audience reactions later, he would have pre-arranged an assistant to do it for him.
 

Posted by: jz @ 5:14 PM on 1.18.2012
^ @Bob (if this message board even puts this comment in the right spot).

Bob: Your suggestion of looking into the actual written text of something people know they shouldn't do is a step backwards for our society. Please do not take any additional steps, you aren't helping.
 

 
 
Posted by: Toby @ 1:22 PM on 1.07.2012
Patton, your true fans love you and while I understand why you had to defend yourself it is a sad state of affairs that you had to deal with this much BS over some woman who doesn't understand common courtesy or social norms. Everyone wants to do whatever the fuck they want with no consequences today.

Bully for you though for writing a calm and intelligent response to an event that should have never been publicized if not for someone wanting attention to their blog.

 
 
Posted by: Woody @ 1:23 PM on 1.07.2012
When I read Gray's blog this morning and I was discussing the exchange with my wife I said "sure it says the woman said she was deleting the footage but it doesn't say HOW she said it, I bet there was an eye roll in there". It's rather awesome being right.

 
 
 
 
 
   
   
   
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